Monday, August 8, 2011

i'm on a such a civil war tear right now...

I heart Grant.


Blogger jim said...

we in the South don't think really lost the war-ask anyone in tn or va

August 8, 2011 at 11:23 PM  
Blogger redbird said...

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August 9, 2011 at 12:36 AM  
Blogger redbird said...

I've always found Stonewall ridiculously handsome. My school growing up had a distinctive Southern slant to this topic of study—I don’t remember my teachers ever talking about the North in a positive light and I remember Confederate reenactors coming into my school as a kid talking about cannons tossed into the St. Johns so the Yankees couldn’t get to them, Lincoln bashing a bit excessively, and imitations of rebel yells—quite the deal, and quite influential to our young minds already being raised around our segregation era grandparents and parents with their own forms of Confederate pride. But there’s just something about the Civil War. Enjoy your tear!

August 9, 2011 at 12:40 AM  
Blogger Ann said...

I heart Lee.

August 9, 2011 at 1:16 AM  
Blogger Jenna said...

Stonewall was crazy, old blue light!

Lee was such an amazing man. I got a lot of love for him too.

It's sad how growing up I learned so little about this war, and what was really going on. Being from PA, it was simple: north = good, south = bad. How idiotic. Such a complicated war, so many sides and ideas happening all at once.

August 9, 2011 at 7:26 AM  
Blogger Margie said...

Southerners love Lee.
As Jim said, we didn't lose the war.
Can't imagine what it must have been like living in one of the states were families were divided.

August 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM  
Blogger The Natalie that lives in a tipi said...

I'd never really seen him in his younger days... But really, helluva good looking man.

August 9, 2011 at 10:36 AM  
Blogger Heather said...

Hi Jenna,

I wanted to recommend a book that I think you would really enjoy, "Traveller" by Richard Adams.
It is a novel about the Civil War from the perspective of General Robert E. Lee's beloved horse Traveller. It your interested in the Civil War and horses, its a must read!

August 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM  
Blogger Michael Smith said...

He may have been good looking but bear in mind that he was also a blood thirsty murderer that presided over possibly the most corrupt government in American history.


August 9, 2011 at 11:26 AM  
Blogger Jenna said...

nobody's perfect.

August 9, 2011 at 11:26 AM  
Blogger Diane said...

Have you been to the cottage outside Saratoga where he wrote his memoirs and spent his final days? He was broke, and needed to generate some cash to support his family, and planned to do it with book sales (I can hear you laughing).

August 9, 2011 at 11:47 AM  
Blogger Grant Wagner said...

And Grant hearts you right back

August 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM  
Blogger John Taylor said...

I think Grant, Jackson and Lee are all my favorite Civil War Generals all for very different reasons.

Grace and Peace,


August 9, 2011 at 1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both sides were justified in their eyes. One man is a freedom fighter and another man is a terrorist - it just depends which side your fighting for.

August 9, 2011 at 3:17 PM  
Blogger jules said...

Have you seen the Ken Burns "Civil War"? It's fantabulous! You can see it on PBS stations or rent it from the library. Makes you look at the war with different eyes.

My favorite line: A Yankee soldier asked a Southern boy when he would quit fighting. He replied "When you go home."

August 9, 2011 at 4:25 PM  
Blogger goatldi said...

per Micheal's comment. Attila The Hun may have been a gentlemen in social settings.

per Jenna's reply. agreed.

August 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM  
Blogger ddu said...

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August 9, 2011 at 4:54 PM  
Blogger Jenna said...

I have seen the Ken Burns Doc at least 20 times, and own it on DVD.

DDU, you meant Sherman.

August 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jenna, you may appreciate this: ‎Mary DeCredico is a Naval Academy History Professor. She talk about the Manassas battle and other Civil War topics. She was very good. If you have time check this link out.​program/MaryD

August 9, 2011 at 7:57 PM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Grant used to live in the town I live in! We have his boyhood home as a museum.

August 9, 2011 at 8:05 PM  
Blogger Diane said...

In case you haven't been there yet, it is well worth the trip from Veryork to Saratoga:

August 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM  
Blogger Jenna said...

Diane I haven't been! I will check it out soon, and that whole memoir of his, it became a best seller and saved the family name!

August 9, 2011 at 8:52 PM  
Blogger Sylvia said...

Do you find it amazing that people still have such strong feelings about a war that ended 156 years ago?
I grew up in Atlanta from Georgia parents. My mom was a huge history bluff and we have been to every Civil War battlefield in driving range and some that we drove and camped at (Shiloh -- it will give you nightmares if you are a kid....). My mom's ancestors both fought for the South and the North with one refusing and one side hanged him and the other butchered his body -- both calling him a traitor.
When I was in elementary school in the 70s, the worst offense you could call someone was "yankee".
When I got married, my grandmother, who I adored and who loved my husband, said in all seriousness "he is a good man, for a Yankee" (he is from Illinois-- Union Civil War Vets on his side as well).
I just have a hard time getting so worked up over then when there is so much hate and injustice NOW.
Maybe the seeds were sown THEN but gosh, when do we stop fighting?

August 9, 2011 at 9:14 PM  
Blogger jim said...

one has to remember that it was indeed a bloody war and the cost on both sides were unbelievable.
both sides fought gallently for a cause they believed in. One had to lose---I have family that served on both sides- Proudly---I am proud of all of them--they gave it there all- most didn't return. I wish they had- they left behind children, families, farms and legacys- they are missed

August 9, 2011 at 10:19 PM  
Blogger Paula said...

Life would be very different for all of us if the Union had not prevailed. It's easy to get wound up in taking sides, especially if based on family history or regional pride, but the truth is that we'd probably just be getting over the civil right movement now if the civil war hadn't turned out the way it did then. When you think about that, it's very sobering. The fact that Americans got past the evil of slavery and can now fight together to overcome another evil, terrorism, means that we have all come such a long way. And if you look at what regular folks are fighting for in other parts of the world right now, you realize that we Americans are really lucky that every generation before us that got up to fight any kind of tyranny did just that, and there were a bunch of them. A lot of things would be really different if not for the civil war ending how it did; folks on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line today can be grateful for that.

What I was going to comment on was that I've always found Sherman's photographs to be really interesting. You can tell he's not an old man during the war, but man! did his skin have some photo-damage! He looked like a guy who'd spent his entire life in a saddle without a hat. For whatever reason, his photos were all perfectly focused on that sun-ravaged skin, which I find interesting.

August 10, 2011 at 12:37 AM  
Blogger redbird said...

I’ve found all of these posts very interesting. Coming from terribly prejudice Southern stock I’m so very glad things ended the way they did in regards to the War Between the States—Paula’s right on. However, as a history buff I take pride in the multitude in my family who wore the gray and fought all the way in various Arkansas infantries in defense of State’s Rights and other numerous intricate issues, although I acknowledge their winning would have preserved a vast amount of evils. I’ve seen firsthand what the romanticizing of Dixie can do to some people so I heart Ken Burns and others like him who present to us a balanced, objective view of this era. I believe on Burn’s Civil War volumes there’s a historian who states to really understand our country one must really have an understanding of the Civil War and I believe that’s true wholeheartedly. That being said—I find it really hard to heart Grant despite his looks and military genius! What does that say about me?!

August 10, 2011 at 11:38 PM  
Blogger SAW said...

Just a few weeks ago, I discovered that my great (x3) grandfather was in the 5th Pa. Reserves and served for three years, from '61 to '64. He was a blacksmith from a little Susquehanna River town in Bradford County. I'm off to Fredericksburg this morning and last week it was Wilderness. (You cannot swing a cat anywhere between Charlottesville and Fredericksburg without hitting a Civil War historical marker.)

August 11, 2011 at 7:57 AM  
Blogger SAW said...

By the way, Mark Twain was instrumental in publishing Grant's memoirs. Twain saw that the man was in a bad way financially and the book proceeds were to save Grant's situation. Unfortunately, Grant died just days after finishing the writing.

See here:

August 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM  

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